Steve Jobs in Sweden, 1985 [HQ]

198515:54English

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The doors have been locked.
and all of you that don't sign up to buy computers will stay here and we will bring back the singers.
I am extraordinarily pleased to be able to be here with you.
This is one of my personal hopes and wishes, actually,
is that I think that computers can radically revolutionize the educational process around the world.
And the average age at Apple, as you know, is about 29 or 30.
And we haven't been out of college so long ourselves, at least most of the people at Apple haven't.
And it's very, very important to us.
And I think that, as you all know better than I, Europe is sort of a, doesn't exist.
It was just a word invented for the convenience of Americans and others.
And the fact that you're all here in this room as a step towards cooperating with each other in new ways pleases me very much.
It's difficult enough to get cooperation amongst competitive universities in America.
And I think that that's great.
What are we trying to do here?
What are we trying to do?
You can have many views of what a computer is.
My particular view is that a computer is a new medium.
A new medium, one of the media.
Print, television, radio.
And a computer will in the future be looked at, I think, more in this way.
As a delivery vehicle for software.
Just like a book is a delivery vehicle for its own kind of software.
And whenever we develop a new medium, we generally tend to fall back into our old habits from our old medium.
As an example, when the television first came of age in America, the first television shows were simply a camera pointed at a radio show.
And it took about 20, 30 years for television to really come into its own in the late 1950s.
We have this new medium of interactive video because of the laser disc.
And what is the first thing we do with it?
We put movies on it.
So again, we tend to fall back into our old habits.
In the same way, when the personal computer was invented, we tended to look at it as
a smaller version of a big computer.
So we put COBOL and FORTRAN and these bizarre things on it.
And looked at it in terms of simple economics rather than the revolutionary nature that
it really was.
Do you know who Alexander the Great's tutor was for about 14 years?
Aristotle.
And I read this, I became immensely jealous.
I think I would have enjoyed that a great deal.
And through the miracle of
the printed page, I can at least read what Aristotle wrote without an intermediary.
And maybe if there's a professor, they can add to that, but at least I can go directly
to the source material.
And that is, of course, the foundation upon which our Western civilization is built.
But I can't ask Aristotle a question.
I mean, I can, but I won't get an answer.
My hope is that in our lifetimes, we can make a tool of a new kind, of an interactive kind.
And when I look at the personal computer, we're, as you know, living in the wake of the last revolution,
which was a new source of free energy, and that was the free energy of petrochemicals.
And it completely transforms society, and we're products of this petrochemical revolution,
which we're still living in the wake of today.
We are now entering another revolution of free energy.
Macintosh, as you know, uses less power than a few of those light bulbs,
and yet can save us a few hours a day or give us a whole new experience.
And it's free intellectual energy.
It's crude, very crude, but it's getting more refined year after year after year.
And in our lifetimes, it should get very refined.
And so my hope is someday, when the next Aristotle is alive,
we can capture the underlying worldview of that Aristotle in a computer.
And someday, some student will be able to not only read the words Aristotle wrote,
but ask Aristotle a question and get an answer.
And that's what I hope that we can do.
So this is a beginning.
I think that, as you know right now, the computer industry is in the tank.
Personal computers, big computers, everything.
And it's difficult. It's a difficult time.
But I'm sure that Henry Ford had a few bad quarters back in the 1920s.
And the automobile had a sort of historical imperative.
The minute it was invented, a sequence of events had to happen.
The same is true with the personal computer.
There is a tremendous momentum behind this.
And I think that this year may be a delay.
This year we may look back and say, well, 1985 was a slow year.
But there is such momentum behind this that it will happen.
It will permeate and change forever our educational processes.
And my hope, again, is that not too many generations of students will pass through before this happens.
It will happen within 20 years.
It probably will happen within 10 years.
But it could happen within 5 years.
I am going back to the United States this weekend.
And then about 2 weeks from today, I'll be in the Soviet Union for the first time in Moscow.
because one of my dreams has been to sell Macintoshes in the Soviet Union.
And one of the highest agendas on my priority
is to get them starting to think about exactly the same thing.
So maybe six months or a year, year and a half from now,
we can have some Soviet schools here at our Europe Consortium meeting.
But first I would like to say that I find it very interesting to meet Mr. Jobs.
Arriving as he was, out of the blue.
And after making about three circles,
so that we were certain to notice that there was something in the air.
And you can almost hear everybody saying,
there is something in the air tonight.
Anyhow, I feel somewhat, I felt somewhat like the Finnish Prime Minister,
Mr. Karjaleinen, when he was, he spoke a very bad English too.
And they had to pip him up heavily with language tuition
before he was meeting Mr. Henry Kissinger,
arriving from the States.
I don't think it was in a helicopter,
but it was in a big jumbo plane.
Anyhow, they taught Kissinger.
the essential phrases and these were welcome, nice weather and lastly how are you?
And Karjaleinen he learned those words and he was very happy. Damn it now he comes. I know the
language and out steps Kissinger and Karjaleinen steps forward to him and all his teachers are
I'm not very worried.
Will he do it?
Can he do it?
Can he speak English?
And he says, welcome.
Oh, well.
And then he goes into the second phrase, nice weather,
nice weather.
And the third phrase, and who are you?
Well, it was great meeting you.
And I will stop making jokes with Steve Jobs, who is such a nice fellow and is giving so much of himself and his dreams.
We have been very happy at Lund University for this association with Apple.
I have never been worried that by eating Apple, we should start thinking Apple.
But other people have been worried about that.
I'm not so worried either about computers.
Some people are.
They feel that they will deform our minds.

Transcript

Machine transcript in the original language. It may contain errors. Select a timestamp to play that moment.

[Automatic transcript unavailable for this passage]

The doors have been locked.

and all of you that don't sign up to buy computers will stay here and we will bring back the singers.

I am extraordinarily pleased to be able to be here with you.

This is one of my personal hopes and wishes, actually,

is that I think that computers can radically revolutionize the educational process around the world.

And the average age at Apple, as you know, is about 29 or 30.

And we haven't been out of college so long ourselves, at least most of the people at Apple haven't.

And it's very, very important to us.

And I think that, as you all know better than I, Europe is sort of a, doesn't exist.

It was just a word invented for the convenience of Americans and others.

And the fact that you're all here in this room as a step towards cooperating with each other in new ways pleases me very much.

It's difficult enough to get cooperation amongst competitive universities in America.

And I think that that's great.

What are we trying to do here?

What are we trying to do?

You can have many views of what a computer is.

My particular view is that a computer is a new medium.

A new medium, one of the media.

Print, television, radio.

And a computer will in the future be looked at, I think, more in this way.

As a delivery vehicle for software.

Just like a book is a delivery vehicle for its own kind of software.

And whenever we develop a new medium, we generally tend to fall back into our old habits from our old medium.

As an example, when the television first came of age in America, the first television shows were simply a camera pointed at a radio show.

And it took about 20, 30 years for television to really come into its own in the late 1950s.

We have this new medium of interactive video because of the laser disc.

And what is the first thing we do with it?

We put movies on it.

So again, we tend to fall back into our old habits.

In the same way, when the personal computer was invented, we tended to look at it as

a smaller version of a big computer.

So we put COBOL and FORTRAN and these bizarre things on it.

And looked at it in terms of simple economics rather than the revolutionary nature that

it really was.

Do you know who Alexander the Great's tutor was for about 14 years?

Aristotle.

And I read this, I became immensely jealous.

I think I would have enjoyed that a great deal.

And through the miracle of

the printed page, I can at least read what Aristotle wrote without an intermediary.

And maybe if there's a professor, they can add to that, but at least I can go directly

to the source material.

And that is, of course, the foundation upon which our Western civilization is built.

But I can't ask Aristotle a question.

I mean, I can, but I won't get an answer.

My hope is that in our lifetimes, we can make a tool of a new kind, of an interactive kind.

And when I look at the personal computer, we're, as you know, living in the wake of the last revolution,

which was a new source of free energy, and that was the free energy of petrochemicals.

And it completely transforms society, and we're products of this petrochemical revolution,

which we're still living in the wake of today.

We are now entering another revolution of free energy.

Macintosh, as you know, uses less power than a few of those light bulbs,

and yet can save us a few hours a day or give us a whole new experience.

And it's free intellectual energy.

It's crude, very crude, but it's getting more refined year after year after year.

And in our lifetimes, it should get very refined.

And so my hope is someday, when the next Aristotle is alive,

we can capture the underlying worldview of that Aristotle in a computer.

And someday, some student will be able to not only read the words Aristotle wrote,

but ask Aristotle a question and get an answer.

And that's what I hope that we can do.

So this is a beginning.

I think that, as you know right now, the computer industry is in the tank.

Personal computers, big computers, everything.

And it's difficult. It's a difficult time.

But I'm sure that Henry Ford had a few bad quarters back in the 1920s.

And the automobile had a sort of historical imperative.

The minute it was invented, a sequence of events had to happen.

The same is true with the personal computer.

There is a tremendous momentum behind this.

And I think that this year may be a delay.

This year we may look back and say, well, 1985 was a slow year.

But there is such momentum behind this that it will happen.

It will permeate and change forever our educational processes.

And my hope, again, is that not too many generations of students will pass through before this happens.

It will happen within 20 years.

It probably will happen within 10 years.

But it could happen within 5 years.

I am going back to the United States this weekend.

And then about 2 weeks from today, I'll be in the Soviet Union for the first time in Moscow.

because one of my dreams has been to sell Macintoshes in the Soviet Union.

And one of the highest agendas on my priority

is to get them starting to think about exactly the same thing.

So maybe six months or a year, year and a half from now,

we can have some Soviet schools here at our Europe Consortium meeting.

But first I would like to say that I find it very interesting to meet Mr. Jobs.

Arriving as he was, out of the blue.

And after making about three circles,

so that we were certain to notice that there was something in the air.

And you can almost hear everybody saying,

there is something in the air tonight.

Anyhow, I feel somewhat, I felt somewhat like the Finnish Prime Minister,

Mr. Karjaleinen, when he was, he spoke a very bad English too.

And they had to pip him up heavily with language tuition

before he was meeting Mr. Henry Kissinger,

arriving from the States.

I don't think it was in a helicopter,

but it was in a big jumbo plane.

Anyhow, they taught Kissinger.

the essential phrases and these were welcome, nice weather and lastly how are you?

And Karjaleinen he learned those words and he was very happy. Damn it now he comes. I know the

language and out steps Kissinger and Karjaleinen steps forward to him and all his teachers are

I'm not very worried.

Will he do it?

Can he do it?

Can he speak English?

And he says, welcome.

Oh, well.

And then he goes into the second phrase, nice weather,

nice weather.

And the third phrase, and who are you?

Well, it was great meeting you.

And I will stop making jokes with Steve Jobs, who is such a nice fellow and is giving so much of himself and his dreams.

We have been very happy at Lund University for this association with Apple.

I have never been worried that by eating Apple, we should start thinking Apple.

But other people have been worried about that.

I'm not so worried either about computers.

Some people are.

They feel that they will deform our minds.